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>> own nuclear self destruct phase would have evolved past
>> any vicious tendencies long before the reach into deep space.
>>
>> (or so they say).
>
>Or so they say. This is an unproven hypothesis, not a well-established fact.
I agree with Henry. I would think that the inevitable environmental
pollution of a technological species would be a much bigger danger and
that takes a great deal of energy to clean up after the damage is done.
On another topic:
About a year ago, after I did something for JPL they did something for me.
They took me to Goldstone let me ride the big dish and talk to the folks
on the SETI team. This was including Mike Klein (SETI leader at JPL),
Ed Olson, Larry Rauch, and Ed Posner whose office runs the deep space
network. One thing was clear from our discussions. At that time,
they were doing a hell of a lot of work on figuring out what was the best
strategy for DETECTING a signal (targeted super sensitive search
or all-sky not so sensitive search). For them to be able to do a
targeted transmitted signal, they have to use resources available to them.
This would imply that they have to use the antennas used by the folks at
Ames and JPL and all of these are high gain and very directional. Which
direction would you have them point in? If they knew this, we would not
be discussing SETI since the SEARCH would be over ;-). What frequencies
would you have them use? The quiet frequency zones for radio astronomy?
Or those guaranteed by international treaty to be for the use of other
services? I think you get the idea. Transmitting doesn't seem to be
a part of the plan. I'm a signal processing theoretician and don't
represent them or claim any special knowledge of what has gone since that
meeting. My last impression was that this was a listen only project.
On 145 Mhz, we do transmit and receive on those bands from our AMSAT
OSCAR's and Soviet RS's. They are not all that transparent however.
Dispersion is a problem and other funnies happen to signals on these
bands. As you go even higher, water in the atmosphere begins to become
very absorbent, etc. The world above 145 is not a panacea for pointing
at space.
Bob McGwier
N4HY
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Date: 11 Aug 88 22:53:56 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!sm.unisys.com!csun!polyslo!jsalter@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (The Math Hacker)
Subject: Space Station Info Needed
Can anyone point me to any information about the viable alternatives
to the manned Space Station. Specifically, the use of robotics instead
of permanently-manned modules; the effects on micro-gravity experiments
by the introduction of people moving about; the use of the heavy-lift
shuttle (Shuttle-C, I think) for building as opposed to the regular
shuttle; and anything else.
It's easy to come up with reasons for the station, especially when I'm
already for it. What about arguments against it?
(The pro-earth people should know by now that space exploration is not
only important, but imperative. I really need better counter-arguments
than "we should spend money on earth-bound needs instead")
Thanks for any help.
--
James A. Salter -- Yes, math majors can use UNIX(tm), too...
jsalter@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU | sin(x)/n = 6 (Cancel the n's!)
...!ucbvax!voder!polyslo!jsalter | "Type h for help." -- rn
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Date: 12 Aug 88 14:57:52 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!etive!bob@uunet.uu.net (Bob Gray)
Subject: Re: death of Anatoly Lewtschenko
In article <612@ecrcvax.UUCP> bruno@ecrcvax.UUCP (Bruno Poterie) writes:
>The soviet cosmonaut Anatoly Lewtschenko died last Saturday,
>of a "big desease" (no more precision).
The report I heard said it was a brain tumor.
Note also that he was the Soviet's main test pilot for
their shuttle, so the first launch may be further delayed
if they do intend to fly it manned.
Bob.
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1988 14:58-EDT
From: Dale.Amon@h.gp.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Spacesploitation
Much that you say about the way the statists deal with free people is
true. I fear very much that the only way we will be able to defend our
property rights on the moon or anywhere else is to be prepared to shoot
back when the UN version of a 'coast guard' tries to enforce these
assinine treaties.
I did not sign and would not have signed these treaties. I am not bound
by them. PERIOD. I give them NO allegience whatsoever. My only long
term allegiance is to libertarian principles, not to any government,
whether it be the one which currently CLAIMS it has jurisdiction over
me, or that of A UN agency in the future that makes such claims on my
person or property off earth. I submit to the tyranny of neither, now
or then.
Anything I do that assists a government at this time is either out of
the wisdom of not marching unarmed into a machine gun, or of helping statists
to go as close to the direction I desire as possible.
I am myself not the type to ever take up arms, but should the UN or
other agency ever attempt to enforce their 'rights' over space, I hope
the residents in that distant decade blow their imperial asses all the
way back to Earth. The only thing that will be unfortunate (on that
far future date) is that those asses will belong to innocent 18 and 19
year olds who have been fed statist propaganda from childhood. Those
responsible, as is always the case, will sit back in their easy chairs
while others do the dying. That is the way of all statists, whether
they are commie-statists or capitalist-statists or fascist-statists.
When it comes to expending lives for 'the glory of the state', for 'state
interests', there is absolutely no difference between a Reagan, a
Gorbachev, a Botha, or an Ortega.
People will be free. They will protect their property rights one way or
another. With blood, if necessary. Space is too big for any government
or agency to control. Can't we EVER learn that imperialism doesn't
work?
And when you get down to it, that is ALL that treaties like the moon
treaty really are: a means of enforcing an Earth based imperialism of
the solar system.
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Date: 13 Aug 88 19:14:24 GMT
From: sugar!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: SETI (was Re: Time dilation affecting SETI)
In article <1628@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu>, jwm@stdc.jhuapl.edu (Jim Meritt) writes:
> Want to kill 2 birds with 1 stone? Dump all the weapons-grade plutonium
> into the sun!
> 1. Weapons-grade plutonium is not that great thing to have on earth.
Weapons-grade plutonium is a valuable substance. It can be used to
generate electrical power. The idea of wasting it in this manner is
abhorrent. Better to burn the Mona Lisa.
--
Peter da Silva `-_-' peter@sugar.uu.net
Have you hugged U your wolf today?
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